Thinking about getting the ...

[drpaulmarsh]

I'm thinking of getting the ROW MO30 For my 99' tiptronic coupe (18" rims). My car has 77k miles and is a daily driver. I want to Auto X it once a quarter jsut to keep my skills up. But most of the time I will do 1/2 day spirited fun runs with our local PCA every couple of months.

I am not sure I want to drop all that cash for a PSS-9 set-up as I may just buy a newer Carrerra in a year or two. Suncoast has the ROW MO3O for $999 out the door, including tax and s/h.

1. Can anyone give me some experience or feed back in comparisson to the stock USA set-up?

2. Can some one post a picture of the mouting of the front and back sway bars?

Edited June 14, 2005 by drpaulmarsh

[Loren]

2. The sway bars mount the same for RoW M030... and in some models are the same as US M030. If they change all you change are the mounting bushings and the sway bar.

[LVDell]

I did it and it was the perfect compromise b/t PSS9 and nothing at all. The car is lowered about 17-18MM in the front and about 11-12MM in the rear (PAG states 20/10 respectively). Much better feel and more planted to the road. A bit more harsh on city streets than stock but nowhere close to what PSS9 would feel like! The floaty feeling the car used to have is now gone

and best of all? No 4x4 look anymore!

BTW...I ordered mine from the board sponsor Sunset Porsche (1K shipped).

[neil.schneider]

How much and who does the install? Do you need an alignment afterwards?

[LVDell]

I paid $650 for the install at an indep Porsche shop here in Vegas that has been here for over 30+years (Pres of the local PCA chapter owns it). The dealer wanted $1K.

[drpaulmarsh]

Thanks Dell, that sounds just perfect to me...

Excuse my ignorance, but can you snap a photo of the cross bars or are they nicely hidden? I'm not sure where they mount them? on top of the shocks or underneath...

Paul

[C4 Pazzo]

Drpaulmarsh. The sway bars just replace the stock sway bars. The rear one is really easy to swap out; just have to loosen 4 bolts on the chasis and one on each drop link. The front is a little tougher to get at, since you need to take off the plastic cover under the car and also loosen the diagnonal braces, but that just adds a bit of time. Changing out the sway bars is the easiest part of the install.

You do need to get the car aligned after it is lowered.

[x5rap]

Please excuse the ignorance, but does the sway bar change alone take a US M030 to an ROW? Does your coupe already have the US M030 option? Mine is a '99 tip coupe (Feb '98 build date) with 18's and I've no M030 option. Just a plain US coupe tip.

I thought that to go from a non-M030 to an M030, US or ROW you had to change shocks and springs along with the sway bar. Am I right?

[LVDell]

To go to RoWM030 you change out springs, shocks, and sways.

Paul...the rear is an easy one to take a pic of. I'll try to remember to snap one tomorrow. C4 is right about where they are.

[drpaulmarsh]

Thanks... you guys are the best.

Paul

[LVDell]

Here are 3 shots

[drpaulmarsh]

Thanks...

Paul

[drpaulmarsh]

Just about when I had my mind made up and was ready to break out the money and get the ROW M030. . . Gert @ Carnewal said that I should look into the X74 suspension as it will fit on my 99' as well? What is your experience with these two in comparison?

Paul

[Loren]

Porsche does not recommend X74 for any pre MY02 car. In MY02 they stiffened some chassis mounting points and X74 can be used on those "stiffened" cars.

[LVDell]

X74 is for 02+ cars...not the 99-01. You would be best served (and the car) if you stick with parts made for your car and not try to "fit" other parts on. If you are considering X74 over M030 then just get the PSS9 setup.

[Mitty]

What is the X73 kit?

[LVDell]

X73 is Wide Body (Turbo, C4S)

X74 is Narrow (C2/C4)

Both kits are for 02+

[drpaulmarsh]

Thanks gentlemen! As always you have been very informative....

ROW M030 it is! I just can't fathom spending that much for the Pss9's on a car with 78k miles. Especially considering that I will probably upgrade to a new 911 with in a year or so...

Paul

[LVDell]

FYI.....the X74 kit is roughly the same price as PSS9. Both are about $2-2.5K depending on where you get it.

[Gator996]

I agree with LVDell & Loren that X74 is reccomended for 02+ cars but Gert has told me that 99-01 users have installed this setup with favorable results. I'm not reccomending it but if you want deeper answers Gert may provide.

I was tempted to buy one for my '99 that Gert was selling at a nice discount. After much thought, I decided to pass...

[C4S Surgeon]

As Loren mentioned, the chassis needs to be stiffened at several points to accomadate a x74, not rec by porsche on a pre'02 car, that's good enough for me!

[clundin]

What about for a C2 cab '04? Is x74 a better option over RoW M030. Is it worth the extra $.

I'm happy with the comfort with US stock that I currently have. I do want to lower my car for the looks but not compromise comfort too much. Better handling is a bonus - is that the main difference between RoW M030 and x74?

[drpaulmarsh]

X74 from what I have read on the PCA site is too rough/low for most city driving and is best on the track... See links below:

http://www.pca.org/tech/tech_qa_question.a...C-36317763E1F7}

http://www.pca.org/tech/tech_qa_question.a...5-52B644E1E9F4}

http://www.pca.org/tech/tech_qa_question.a...0-588B1A0A497F}

[drpaulmarsh]

There is a group buy we got going on for a ROW M030 on 6speedonline... If you are interested in suspensions you should check it out?

http://www.6speedonline.com/forums/showthr...&threadid=28739

Paul

[LVDell]

You might want to let the poster JDL175 on 6speed that his take on the complete kit is not correct. The COMPLETE kit comes with the bumpstops he says are optional and there are not droplinks in the kit (they are already on your car). I am amazed b/c jdl175 is Justin Lane of Brandywine Porsche.

It is true (as one poster said) that the group buy price really isn't that great of a deal since that is about what I paid a few months back ($1K shipped) without the need of a group buy. The price is still great but the for the numbers you are sending his way the price should be better.