996 crash advice on front end ? OUCH !

[britdave]

 

Any advice on anything mechanical I need to know about this ? ( Hope photo comes out ?) I let my UK friend drive it, he pulled a U turn, forgot about the motor in the rear, nailed the throttle as the was in the U turn. Bad mistake, but we were ok, but OH my poor 996, and the light pole ! Oh yea, the back left wheel, hit the curb as well but the rear body has no damage, except for the drivers side rear wheel, but was wondering about trauma to the drive train, motor crankshaft  ? Front rt wheel rim is bent also. So anything that you think may plague me, now or in the future, please let me know. Now I'm going to cry again  :oops:

[britdave]

Here are two others

Edited December 11, 2015 by Loren

[Ahsai]

So sorry to see that but glad to hear no one was hurt. I would be more concerned about front end suspension/frame damage. If the left rear wheel hit the curb hard, the rear suspension/frame will be questionable too. I would push for totaling it :(

Edited December 7, 2015 by Ahsai

[britdave]

Thanks for the advice Ahsai, yea it's a real shame, it was great shape as it only has 26 K miles on the clock,and clean. That's the kicker, and you know the insurance company (State Farm) probably wont take that low mileage into account, or will they ?

 

Not to sure what it would have been worth pre crash? (2002- 996, stick, very clean with LOW 26K mileage) But I hear ya !

My other friend (not the one who wrecked it) reminded me this happens often at the track, so it's no big deal , and will be "good as new" ? Another guy said "It's just cosmetic" :censored:  Nah !

 

 I'm making sure it goes to a Porsche dealer for repairs though, left front radiator smashed as well, and who knows what else ?  I'll probably sell it or trade it for a loss, when I get it back, if it's not totaled due to repair cost ?

 

I'm pretty sure there will be more issues from this wreck in the future ? Front end especially ! As said, on the back end left  wheel took a big hit when it hit the curb, and jumped it. As you can see left front hit the pole, which crashed across the hood/ bonnet. And somehow the passenger right front wheel rim got hit and bent  :cursing:   Not sure what to do with it now ?  Thanks, anyone else got any advice ?  Cheers Dave

Edited December 7, 2015 by britdave

[Ahsai]

With that low mileage I would gues $30k before the incident. FL total loss threshold is 80% so most likely they won't total it. I would expect a $15k repair quote easily though.

Just tow it to the dealer (or your favorite body shop that specializes in Porsche) and let them work with the adjuster and see. Once the car is repaired, you can further decide what to do with it.

I know how you feel now but give it some time, the pain will go away eventually.

[britdave]

Thanks I do feel a bit better, but also feel bad for my mate that was driving it. We'll see what the future brings ?  Cheers Dave.

[fpb111]

Thanks I do feel a bit better, but also feel bad for my mate that was driving it. We'll see what the future brings ?  Cheers Dave.

He's still alive??!!?

[White987S]

With that low mileage I would gues $30k before the incident. FL total loss threshold is 80% so most likely they won't total it. I would expect a $15k repair quote easily though.

Just tow it to the dealer (or your favorite body shop that specializes in Porsche) and let them work with the adjuster and see. Once the car is repaired, you can further decide what to do with it.

I know how you feel now but give it some time, the pain will go away eventually.

I agree with most of this, except the pre-accident value of $30k. That's too high in my opinion. That number is much closer to $20 than to $30.

 

If the air bags blew, (can't tell from pics) it will be a total loss.

If the frame is bent (probably not, but needs to be checked/inspected) it will be a total loss.

 

If State Farm (great, fair company) declares a total loss, come back here and update us. I'll give you further advice how to negotiate with their Total Loss Department.

 

Glad no one was injured.

 

This is why I never let just anyone drive my Porsches.

 

This is why I most always decline driving other people's cars, when offered.

[White987S]

My other friend (not the one who wrecked it) reminded me this happens often at the track, so it's no big deal , and will be "good as new" ? Another guy said "It's just cosmetic" :censored:  Nah !

 

Dave, you need better friends and acquaintances! :)

 

I've been to many many many track events over the years. DE's and Club Racing. I've never seen anyone hit a light post. :)

 

And for the guy who said "cosmetic".......maybe he works for Mary Kay....and that's all he knows.

[britdave]

 

With that low mileage I would gues $30k before the incident. FL total loss threshold is 80% so most likely they won't total it. I would expect a $15k repair quote easily though.

Just tow it to the dealer (or your favorite body shop that specializes in Porsche) and let them work with the adjuster and see. Once the car is repaired, you can further decide what to do with it.

I know how you feel now but give it some time, the pain will go away eventually.

I agree with most of this, except the pre-accident value of $30k. That's too high in my opinion. That number is much closer to $20 than to $30.

 

If the air bags blew, (can't tell from pics) it will be a total loss.

If the frame is bent (probably not, but needs to be checked/inspected) it will be a total loss.

 

If State Farm (great, fair company) declares a total loss, come back here and update us. I'll give you further advice how to negotiate with their Total Loss Department.

 

Glad no one was injured.

 

This is why I never let just anyone drive my Porsches.

 

This is why I most always decline driving other people's cars, when offered.

 

Ill know more next week ?  :huh:

 

The airbags did NOT go off, but considering the left rear wheel violently hit the curb as we did a 360 spin, (unseen damage, the back "looks" fine ??? )

I'm thinking unseen damage to the trans axle, motor , rear suspension etc  "White 987S ", not to mention the front end , steering,  radiators, right frt wheel rim bent, and more.

 

So far it really looks like a write off/ total loss. When I looked on line a basic 2 wheel drive, 2002 -996- 911 is going for anywhere from $19K to $ 28 K depending on mileage and condtion. Please bear in mind this car was in VERY good shape and only had 26, 850 miles on the clock, lower mileage than any similar car I could find on line, although supposedly State Farm takes that into consideration ?

 

My friend also mentioned to me, if and when I get paid off ? I should ask State farm to buy it back, as he thinks they would sell it back to me for $2,000 or $3,000 as is ? Just telling them I want it for parts etc.

 

Point is this crash will be on Carfax, ref police report (it's like having a criminal past, LOL )  so selling it in the future,  would be a hassle, even if my friend and I buy it from State farm, try to get it repaired, and re-sell it ? Please let me know any advice as you say here : "If State Farm (great, fair company) declares a total loss, come back here and update us. I'll give you further advice how to negotiate with their Total Loss Department."  Unquote.

 

Any further advice on any of this will be MUCH appreciated as I think they will make me an offer next week. :help: 

At this point, I don't think I want it repaired , would you ?  Any other advice from you guys will be appreciated. Thanks Dave. 

[Hilux2400]

Wheels and other bits don't like being hit from the side.  I have had this once on a car (not a Porsche) and even though it happened at very low speed it buckled the sub frame, but all other suspension members were undamaged. Although the cosmetic things might be OK, there may be unseen damage to cope with which might be hard to find at first.  

[britdave]

Wheels and other bits don't like being hit from the side.  I have had this once on a car (not a Porsche) and even though it happened at very low speed it buckled the sub frame, but all other suspension members were undamaged. Although the cosmetic things might be OK, there may be unseen damage to cope with which might be hard to find at first.  

Thats what I'm thinking Hilux , I don't think it will ever be the same if they go for a repair.  :wrench:  :censored:

 

Over here in the States, they have something called "Carfax" that will show this  crash on a police report, and what happened on line, you just run the VIN number. It's like a car having a criminal record, I sure wouldn't want to buy a car like this involved in a bad crash, so re selling it would be a BIG loss. I'll know more next week after the insurance adjuster makes a determination ?

 

I'm hoping for a write off/ total as they say, from what I'm reading and seeing, I don't think repair is a viable solution ? Also waiting to hear back from "White 987 S "  and his advice on how to deal with State Farm Insurance, when and if they do make it a write off, what to do/say etc ?

 

 

Remember my 2003 911/  996 only had 26, 700 miles on the clock , and in great shape, either way perhaps it  will be a financial loss  :cursing:

[White987S]

 

 

With that low mileage I would gues $30k before the incident. FL total loss threshold is 80% so most likely they won't total it. I would expect a $15k repair quote easily though.

Just tow it to the dealer (or your favorite body shop that specializes in Porsche) and let them work with the adjuster and see. Once the car is repaired, you can further decide what to do with it.

I know how you feel now but give it some time, the pain will go away eventually.

I agree with most of this, except the pre-accident value of $30k. That's too high in my opinion. That number is much closer to $20 than to $30.

 

If the air bags blew, (can't tell from pics) it will be a total loss.

If the frame is bent (probably not, but needs to be checked/inspected) it will be a total loss.

 

If State Farm (great, fair company) declares a total loss, come back here and update us. I'll give you further advice how to negotiate with their Total Loss Department.

 

Glad no one was injured.

 

This is why I never let just anyone drive my Porsches.

 

This is why I most always decline driving other people's cars, when offered.

 

Ill know more next week ?  :huh:

 

The airbags did NOT go off, but considering the left rear wheel violently hit the curb as we did a 360 spin, (unseen damage, the back "looks" fine ??? )

I'm thinking unseen damage to the trans axle, motor , rear suspension etc  "White 987S ", not to mention the front end , steering,  radiators, right frt wheel rim bent, and more.

 

So far it really looks like a write off/ total loss. When I looked on line a basic 2 wheel drive, 2002 -996- 911 is going for anywhere from $19K to $ 28 K depending on mileage and condtion. Please bear in mind this car was in VERY good shape and only had 26, 850 miles on the clock, lower mileage than any similar car I could find on line, although supposedly State Farm takes that into consideration ?

 

My friend also mentioned to me, if and when I get paid off ? I should ask State farm to buy it back, as he thinks they would sell it back to me for $2,000 or $3,000 as is ? Just telling them I want it for parts etc.

 

Point is this crash will be on Carfax, ref police report (it's like having a criminal past, LOL )  so selling it in the future,  would be a hassle, even if my friend and I buy it from State farm, try to get it repaired, and re-sell it ? Please let me know any advice as you say here : "If State Farm (great, fair company) declares a total loss, come back here and update us. I'll give you further advice how to negotiate with their Total Loss Department."  Unquote.

 

Any further advice on any of this will be MUCH appreciated as I think they will make me an offer next week. :help: 

At this point, I don't think I want it repaired , would you ?  Any other advice from you guys will be appreciated. Thanks Dave. 

 

Mileage and condition will play into your settlement (IF considered a total loss) but not like you think. It may add a couple thousand dollars. Not $10,000.

 

Everything is negotiable. Have all your receipts (maintenance, tires, mods, everything). Have comps ready. Search high end places like Sloan, RPM, the PCA website, the PCA magazine Panomara. Prove your car's market value.

 

STOP listening to your "friends". They are giving you poor advice. You can not buy the salvage back from State Farm for $2-3,000. Depending on your state laws, you may have the opportunity to purchase the salvage for about 27% (+/- 2%) of the total loss claim value. So if they value your car at $24,000 you can buy the salvage for about $6,480. Then what are you going to do with it?

 

That's something I'd NOT be interested in. Fixing and owning a salvaged car. Maybe unless I wanted to convert to a dedicated race car, or something.

 

If your car was highly desirable (like a 993 or 993 Turbo), you could probably buy the salvage from State Farm, and flip (sell immediately) to a third party (high-end salvage buyers), and make about 10-15% over your salvage buy out. But I don't suspect there is this kind of market on a 996.

 

Negotiate and negotiate hard with State Farm if totaled. Be persistent, professional and very prepared. Don't accept first offer. Don't lawyer up, you can do this on your own. They should also (depending on your state laws) include in the final settlement retail sales tax and licensing fees into the final settlement. Don't bring this up until the very end.

[britdave]

Thanks for all the advice, MUCH appreciated. I'll get back on here in a few days, after I see what the " final "  determination will be ? Today the first ones to determine the repair cost said $10, 900.00 but it has to go to someone else, then the body shop, then the Porsche dealer.

As I said, I don't think it will ever be the same, I'm really pushing for a total write off. Stay tuned, and thanks again . :thankyou:  Cheers Dave. 

[White987S]

 

As I said, I don't think it will ever be the same, I'm really pushing for a total write off. Stay tuned, and thanks again . :thankyou:  Cheers Dave. 

It will be fine. As long as the frame is not bent/tweaked. Even then, it can be fixed if the numbers work for State Farm.

 

You can push all you want, they will not declare a total loss unless repair costs start to exceed 75% of market value.

 

If the frame is bent, the car will be totaled. If not, it will be fixed.

 

3 Major Things Effect Total Loss:

 

1) frame damage

2) air bag deployment

3) water intrusion (drive into a lake/pond)

 

*these type of repairs effect costs f a s t !

[Lakeview3]

Britdave, 

 

If you are interested in taking your settlement from the insurance company and selling the car as-is, I would be interested in buying it. This is what I do. The car does not have to be totaled. You can take the settlement and sell the car as-is. Everything has a value. Their is nothing wrong with a salvage or previously wrecked car that is repaired correctly and put back on the road. Hell, half the cars on the road now have had some kind of damage or another. I have been doing this for thirty years and pride myself on doing quality work. Even if you have a previously salvaged car it still has value and can be a cheaper opportunity to own something that may have previously been out of reach. I value my rebuilt cars at around the rough book value or about 30% off of full retail price as an average............Message me if you are interested. Kevin.

[britdave]

Britdave, 

 

If you are interested in taking your settlement from the insurance company and selling the car as-is, I would be interested in buying it. This is what I do. The car does not have to be totaled. You can take the settlement and sell the car as-is. Everything has a value. Their is nothing wrong with a salvage or previously wrecked car that is repaired correctly and put back on the road. Hell, half the cars on the road now have had some kind of damage or another. I have been doing this for thirty years and pride myself on doing quality work. Even if you have a previously salvaged car it still has value and can be a cheaper opportunity to own something that may have previously been out of reach. I value my rebuilt cars at around the rough book value or about 30% off of full retail price as an average............Message me if you are interested. Kevin.

Thanks Kevin, I'll keep that in mind.

As of late it appears they( The insurance co)  want to try to repair it, it's been taken to a Porsche authorized body shop in Orlando, that has a very good reputation.

 

Once there they ( The Porsche authorized body shop)  will also/ AGAIN assess the damage, and possible infamous hidden damage ?  I'll know more next week, hope fully before Christmas ? I suppose your right though, in ref to "If it's done right"  the repairs. Time will tell ?

If it's repaired, and I do decide to sell it, or trade it in for a newer 911, I sure hope this crash doesn't come back to haunt me on the Carfax  :cursing: