Drivers side window problem after battery went dead

[scubadawg]

Hi

My battery went totally dead, and I did the doner battery thing to get into the engine compartment to boost the car, after the car starts, drivers windows does not drop or go up or down with the windown control, passenger window no problem. This was a brand new Optima Red top that was purchased in April, probably dead cell, bringing it back on Monday testing or excchange.

Any ideas?

[1schoir]

Hi

My battery went totally dead, and I did the doner battery thing to get into the engine compartment to boost the car, after the car starts, drivers windows does not drop or go up or down with the windown control, passenger window no problem. This was a brand new Optima Red top that was purchased in April, probably dead cell, bringing it back on Monday testing or excchange.

Any ideas?

Check the fuses, although I think both windows may be on one fuse. Not sure.

On the off chance that your switch is fried, it's easy enough to eliminate that by popping out the driver's side switch and swapping it with the passenger's side switch and see if the problem follows the switch.

Also, whenever you disconnect the battery, the window normally has to be "retrained", although that usually does not start out with a "completely inoperative" window.

Regards, Maurice.

[scubadawg]

Decided to take the car for a spin, dead battery again, boosted it, checked the charging voltage 13.5 volts, tried the drivers window again, nothing, but I can hear the relays trying to open or close in the drivers door, when I press the switch. Passenger window OK.

Drove around for an hour tp charge up the battery, shut it down and checked the battery voltage 12.2 Volts.

Disconnected the negative battery terminal, will try again sometime in the morning to see what happens. See if the battery drains on it's own over night.

Edited October 17, 2009 by scubadawg

[scubadawg]

Decided to take the car for a spin, dead battery again, boosted it, checked the charging voltage 13.5 volts, tried the drivers window again, nothing, but I can hear the relays trying to open or close in the drivers door, when I press the switch. Passenger window OK.

Drove around for an hour tp charge up the battery, shut it down and checked the battery voltage 12.2 Volts.

Disconnected the negative battery terminal, will try again sometime in the morning to see what happens. See if the battery drains on it's own over night.

Reconnected Battery, drove to work, parked it for 4 hours, started up again, no problems, checked fuses, still no drivers side window drop or up and down with switch,

Do you think it's the regulator or motor? Windows does not drop with outside or inside door handle, and does not go up or down with switch, but when trying the switch, you can click a click from inside the door.

Thanks

[Loren]

The motor usually either works or it doesn't - I would suspect the regulator.

[1schoir]

Decided to take the car for a spin, dead battery again, boosted it, checked the charging voltage 13.5 volts, tried the drivers window again, nothing, but I can hear the relays trying to open or close in the drivers door, when I press the switch. Passenger window OK.

Drove around for an hour tp charge up the battery, shut it down and checked the battery voltage 12.2 Volts.

Disconnected the negative battery terminal, will try again sometime in the morning to see what happens. See if the battery drains on it's own over night.

Reconnected Battery, drove to work, parked it for 4 hours, started up again, no problems, checked fuses, still no drivers side window drop or up and down with switch,

Do you think it's the regulator or motor? Windows does not drop with outside or inside door handle, and does not go up or down with switch, but when trying the switch, you can click a click from inside the door.

Thanks

Scuba:

From your further description, it sounds like your window regulator cable is completely broken. That is why you are not getting any response at all, other than the clicking caused by pressing the switch.

I would still try to swap the switches left for right, first though.

Regards, Maurice.

[scubadawg]

Scuba:

From your further description, it sounds like your window regulator cable is completely broken. That is why you are not getting any response at all, other than the clicking caused by pressing the switch.

I would still try to swap the switches left for right, first though.

Regards, Maurice.

Took the door panel off today, pulled the motor off the regulator, leaving the regulator mounted, tried the windows switch (both left and right switches) the window motor only spins 1 way, is this right? I would think that the motor would spin both directions, believing the motor is shot, not the regulator.

What do you think?

Edited October 20, 2009 by scubadawg

[1schoir]

Took the door panel off today, pulled the motor off the regulator, leaving the regulator mounted, tried the windows switch (both left and right switches) the window motor only spins 1 way, is this right? I would think that the motor would spin both directions, believing the motor is shot, not the regulator.

What do you think?

Scuba:

I seem to remember that the motor needs to encounter resistance for it to spin in the opposite direction. I'm not positive, but unless I'm thinking of something else, that's the way it works. :lightbulb:

Maybe someone else can pipe in with the correct answer.

Now that you know that both switches work, why not try to spin the regulator with the motor installed on the regulator? That should provide the answer as to whether the "drag" or resistance is what is needed for the motor to spin in the opposite direction.

I guess the good news about all of this is that it gets a LOT easier to take the door panel after you have done it a few times.

Have you inspected the length of the regulator cable to see it it's intact or if it is frayed, and whether it's stretched or if some of the sleeves through which it passes are broken, etc...?

Regards, Maurice.

[scubadawg]

Took the door panel off today, pulled the motor off the regulator, leaving the regulator mounted, tried the windows switch (both left and right switches) the window motor only spins 1 way, is this right? I would think that the motor would spin both directions, believing the motor is shot, not the regulator.

What do you think?

Scuba:

I seem to remember that the motor needs to encounter resistance for it to spin in the opposite direction. I'm not positive, but unless I'm thinking of something else, that's the way it works. :lightbulb:

Maybe someone else can pipe in with the correct answer.

Now that you know that both switches work, why not try to spin the regulator with the motor installed on the regulator? That should provide the answer as to whether the "drag" or resistance is what is needed for the motor to spin in the opposite direction.

I guess the good news about all of this is that it gets a LOT easier to take the door panel after you have done it a few times.

Have you inspected the length of the regulator cable to see it it's intact or if it is frayed, and whether it's stretched or if some of the sleeves through which it passes are broken, etc...?

Regards, Maurice.

Does anyone have the pinout for the connector to the motor so I can test the motor out? I believe the motor should have 2 windings, one winding with make the motor go clockwise and the other wining should make the moter go counterclockwise.

Thanks

[RFM]

Electric window motors have no two windings, ground and power are switched by the control box or switch, depending the system.

[scubadawg]

Electric window motors have no two windings, ground and power are switched by the control box or switch, depending the system.

Thanks for the info. if the door microswitch is faulty would it lock the motor in a single one way postion when the motor is out of the regulator, I am suspecting a microswitch problem, but why won't the windows switch work either, I'm going to see if if is possible to turn the regulator manually, to drop the window a bit and reattached the motor and see what happens.

Is there a way to reverse the direction of the motor?

Edited October 21, 2009 by scubadawg

[juniinc]

Nope, the micro sw will not lock the motor in a single way.

There are 2 white switched wires that runs to the motor(12V+up & 12V+down).

Check those 2 wires from your driver's side switch.

Then Check/meter both up+down+ hot wires at the motor.

This old thread might be able to shed some light,,,

http://www.renntech.org/forums/index.php?s...indow&st=40

Electric window motors have no two windings, ground and power are switched by the control box or switch, depending the system.

Thanks for the info. if the door microswitch is faulty would it lock the motor in a single one way postion when the motor is out of the regulator, I am suspecting a microswitch problem, but why won't the windows switch work either, I'm going to see if if is possible to turn the regulator manually, to drop the window a bit and reattached the motor and see what happens.

Is there a way to reverse the direction of the motor?

Edited October 22, 2009 by juniinc

[scubadawg]

Tested the 8 prong plug in the door, tested OK, we took the power window motor apart, and tested the motor part, tested OK, motor went clockwise and counterclockwise, next with gave the part with the electronics a rap with the screwdriver, just in case it was a stuck relay or switch inside, put it back together and evertyhting is working OK, :renntech:

Thanks for the advise and help !!!

[1schoir]

Tested the 8 prong plug in the door, tested OK, we took the power window motor apart, and tested the motor part, tested OK, motor went clockwise and counterclockwise, next with gave the part with the electronics a rap with the screwdriver, just in case it was a stuck relay or switch inside, put it back together and evertyhting is working OK, :renntech:

Thanks for the advise and help !!!

WAY TO GO ! ! ! ! :clapping: :clapping:

Thanks for the update and the resolution! I'm sure this will help someone who comes along with a similar window problem.

Regards, Maurice.