Suspension Questions?

[niebyl2002]

Hello,

I want to change my shocks and springs and I found those coilovers: Ksport Coilovers

Did anybody tried these already, if yes I would like to find out if they are worth buying or should I stick to RoW suspension. I've got Boxster stock suspension with almost 90K miles. 18'' wheels. Car is a daily driver.In future maybe autox, DE. I don't mind stiff setup.

Thank you for help.

[atmorris]

Hello,

I want to change my shocks and springs and I found those coilovers: Ksport Coilovers

Did anybody tried these already, if yes I would like to find out if they are worth buying or should I stick to RoW suspension. I've got Boxster stock suspension with almost 90K miles. 18'' wheels. Car is a daily driver.In future maybe autox, DE. I don't mind stiff setup.

Thank you for help.

My opinion, FWIW, as a guy faced with the same decision 6 months ago: ROW M030 is T-H-E way to go for a street/track car. The difference in the handling is impressive to say the least. A bit stiffer, but not objectionable for every day use, but get a good alignment done and start hitting some tight corners hard, and I guarantee your mouth will drop when you begin to see what it can do. Roll is unnoticable, if any. It just plants and rails through the twisties. Drops the car just enough and gives it a more aggressive look as a bonus. Best $1000 I have spent by FAR.

Good alignment setup is critical. I also have 18's. I went -1.2 degrees front camber; -2.0 degrees rear camber; Front and rear toe both at at 1/32". Some like 0 toe front and 1/16" rear, but I was more comfortable with a touch of toe dialed in. Tire pressures I keep at 30psi for "spirited" driving or track, drop to 28 to soften the ride a little for long trips.

Andy

[Sboxin]

der Geist has a good review of Ksport coilovers at this site:

http://986forum.com/forums/showthread.php?...=90017#poststop

Several have said they like them.

Ed

[niebyl2002]

The price is pretty much the same (plus coils comes with top mounts). If you compare RoW M030 to a softest setting on coils, Is the coils still stiffer?

Edited August 27, 2007 by niebyl2002

[niebyl2002]

der Geist has a good review of Ksport coilovers at this site:

http://986forum.com/forums/showthread.php?...=90017#poststop

Several have said they like them.

Ed

Great info. I guess coils are stiffer.

Thanks

[atmorris]

The price is pretty much the same (plus coils comes with top mounts). If you compare RoW M030 to a softest setting on coils, Is the coils still stiffer?

Well, that would depend a lot on the valving and spring rates of the specific units your looking at, but generally yes, they will still be stiffer even on the softest settings.

[niebyl2002]

I will find it out in 2 weeks. I just ordered them.

Thanks for help

[blinkwatt]

I will find it out in 2 weeks. I just ordered them.

Thanks for help

Please keep us updated.

K Sport has gotten reviews all over the board,some good some bad.

Their coilovers are really stiff from what I hear. A member on 986forum is trying to get springs that have a different spring rate because of how stiff they are.

[Gary in BR]

Oh yes they are stiff.

I have found out that the rears are almost 500 lbs. Whereas the H and Rs and PSS9 are closer to the 300 range.

If you are installing the KSPORTS I would recommend installing the helper spring I understand that makes them better. Update us with what you think of them and after I figure out my spring rates or if I go with the helper spring I will update everyone here also.

I will find it out in 2 weeks. I just ordered them.

Thanks for help

Please keep us updated.

K Sport has gotten reviews all over the board,some good some bad.

Their coilovers are really stiff from what I hear. A member on 986forum is trying to get springs that have a different spring rate because of how stiff they are.

[blinkwatt]

Oh yes they are stiff.

I have found out that the rears are almost 500 lbs. Whereas the H and Rs and PSS9 are closer to the 300 range.

If you are installing the KSPORTS I would recommend installing the helper spring I understand that makes them better. Update us with what you think of them and after I figure out my spring rates or if I go with the helper spring I will update everyone here also.

What does the spring rate mean exactly? K Sports are 500lbs. vs the 300 on other coilovers.....what does this translate to performance and ride wise?

[Gary in BR]

Finding the spring rate info has been very hard. From what I can see no one knows or can release what oem rates are and the aftermarket spring rates are hard to come by.

From what I can figure out, the rate is how much force it takes to compress the springs 1 inch.

Cross uses 393/450

PSS9 260/345

H and R 220/230

If anyone has additions to this list please post them.

Oh yes they are stiff.

I have found out that the rears are almost 500 lbs. Whereas the H and Rs and PSS9 are closer to the 300 range.

If you are installing the KSPORTS I would recommend installing the helper spring I understand that makes them better. Update us with what you think of them and after I figure out my spring rates or if I go with the helper spring I will update everyone here also.

What does the spring rate mean exactly? K Sports are 500lbs. vs the 300 on other coilovers.....what does this translate to performance and ride wise?

Edited November 26, 2007 by Gary in BR

[insite]

ksport are 300 front / 500 rear. most dealers allow you to substitue custom rates at no extra charge.

[pomocanthus]

Hello,

I want to change my shocks and springs and I found those coilovers: Ksport Coilovers

Did anybody tried these already, if yes I would like to find out if they are worth buying or should I stick to RoW suspension. I've got Boxster stock suspension with almost 90K miles. 18'' wheels. Car is a daily driver.In future maybe autox, DE. I don't mind stiff setup.

Thank you for help.

My opinion, FWIW, as a guy faced with the same decision 6 months ago: ROW M030 is T-H-E way to go for a street/track car. The difference in the handling is impressive to say the least. A bit stiffer, but not objectionable for every day use, but get a good alignment done and start hitting some tight corners hard, and I guarantee your mouth will drop when you begin to see what it can do. Roll is unnoticable, if any. It just plants and rails through the twisties. Drops the car just enough and gives it a more aggressive look as a bonus. Best $1000 I have spent by FAR.

Good alignment setup is critical. I also have 18's. I went -1.2 degrees front camber; -2.0 degrees rear camber; Front and rear toe both at at 1/32". Some like 0 toe front and 1/16" rear, but I was more comfortable with a touch of toe dialed in. Tire pressures I keep at 30psi for "spirited" driving or track, drop to 28 to soften the ride a little for long trips.

Andy

Andy,

Where did you find M030 for $1K? I haven't been able to find anywhere near that price.

THanks,

Hung

[Highlander]

Finding the spring rate info has been very hard. From what I can see no one knows or can release what oem rates are and the aftermarket spring rates are hard to come by.

From what I can figure out, the rate is how much force it takes to compress the springs 1 inch.

Cross uses 393/450

PSS9 260/345

H and R 220/230

If anyone has additions to this list please post them.

Cross are also available with 450/500 (504) and 500/560.

The Cross coilovers (made by JIC) use standard 60mm dia, 150mm long springs and AFAIK the PSS9's use 2.5" dia 6" long springs, so you can get pretty much any spring rate you want with either of those setups. OTOH H&R uses a variable rate spring, so you are stuck with their choice of spring rate.

I have a set of the Cross 450/500's and I don't find the ride too harsh for the pretty decent roads around where I live. I do try to avoid potholes and manhole covers though :)

One last thing. Please use the 986 Boxster Suspension, Brakes, and Wheels sub-forum above for future suspension discussions.

[atmorris]

Hello,

I want to change my shocks and springs and I found those coilovers: Ksport Coilovers

Did anybody tried these already, if yes I would like to find out if they are worth buying or should I stick to RoW suspension. I've got Boxster stock suspension with almost 90K miles. 18'' wheels. Car is a daily driver.In future maybe autox, DE. I don't mind stiff setup.

Thank you for help.

My opinion, FWIW, as a guy faced with the same decision 6 months ago: ROW M030 is T-H-E way to go for a street/track car. The difference in the handling is impressive to say the least. A bit stiffer, but not objectionable for every day use, but get a good alignment done and start hitting some tight corners hard, and I guarantee your mouth will drop when you begin to see what it can do. Roll is unnoticable, if any. It just plants and rails through the twisties. Drops the car just enough and gives it a more aggressive look as a bonus. Best $1000 I have spent by FAR.

Good alignment setup is critical. I also have 18's. I went -1.2 degrees front camber; -2.0 degrees rear camber; Front and rear toe both at at 1/32". Some like 0 toe front and 1/16" rear, but I was more comfortable with a touch of toe dialed in. Tire pressures I keep at 30psi for "spirited" driving or track, drop to 28 to soften the ride a little for long trips.

Andy

Andy,

Where did you find M030 for $1K? I haven't been able to find anywhere near that price.

THanks,

Hung

I got my setup here: Suncoast Porsche

[blinkwatt]

The RoW 030 kits can be ordered from Sunset Imports in OR for around $920-980 depending on which model;986 tiptronic,986s 6-spd etc. that you choose.

[pomocanthus]

Thanks! I ordered one from them for under $1K. Only problem is there is only one available and must be brought in from Germany, if Porsche inventory system is correct. Otherwise, up to 8 months !?!@*$

Waiting on pins and needles,

Hung

[juniinc]

Hey Hung,Are U goint do the install urself?

Thanks! I ordered one from them for under $1K. Only problem is there is only one available and must be brought in from Germany, if Porsche inventory system is correct. Otherwise, up to 8 months !?!@*$

Waiting on pins and needles,

Hung

[CJ_Boxster]

Hey Gary,I wonder if you heat your Coilovers for afew seconds each if you can reduce it without damaging them permanently?

Finding the spring rate info has been very hard. From what I can see no one knows or can release what oem rates are and the aftermarket spring rates are hard to come by.

From what I can figure out, the rate is how much force it takes to compress the springs 1 inch.

Cross uses 393/450

PSS9 260/345

H and R 220/230

If anyone has additions to this list please post them.

Oh yes they are stiff.

I have found out that the rears are almost 500 lbs. Whereas the H and Rs and PSS9 are closer to the 300 range.

If you are installing the KSPORTS I would recommend installing the helper spring I understand that makes them better. Update us with what you think of them and after I figure out my spring rates or if I go with the helper spring I will update everyone here also.

What does the spring rate mean exactly? K Sports are 500lbs. vs the 300 on other coilovers.....what does this translate to performance and ride wise?

[juniinc]

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Edited January 12, 2008 by juniinc

[Gary in BR]

Hey Gary,I wonder if you heat your Coilovers for afew seconds each if you can reduce it without damaging them permanently?

Ok I will bite.

Heat them with what? and how?

I am getting real close to ordering lower rate springs but i would be willing to try this 1st.

[pomocanthus]

I am still debating although I am leaning towards DIY. Stefan said that it was pretty straight forward with no surprises. I'm all for saving $1K. I am expecting my kit by end of Feb.

Hey Hung,Are U goint do the install urself?

Thanks! I ordered one from them for under $1K. Only problem is there is only one available and must be brought in from Germany, if Porsche inventory system is correct. Otherwise, up to 8 months !?!@*$

Waiting on pins and needles,

Hung

Edited January 27, 2008 by pomocanthus